Apparently the Kagi/Vlad thing is up again, and I'm thinking about some discussion in the local political scene, where someone is very vested in the process they participated in 2+ decades ago, and I'm like "dude, look at the outcomes". If the response is "yeah, that's why we need more of the process that got us here", then we're not going to find agreement. https://hackers.town/@lori/112491062169046101